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Methylcobalamin vs. Cyanocobalamin

What is the difference between Cyanocobalamin and Methylcobalamin? Methylcobalamin is the active form of vitamin B-12 that is better absorbed than many of the other forms like cyanocobalamin. Actually, Vitamin B12 comes in several kinds including hydroxy-, cyano-, and adenosyl-, but only the methyl form is used in the central nervous system.

Here are some of the many uses and benefits of Methylcobalin The methyl form of B-12 especially protects nerve tissue and brain cells, and promotes healthy sleep.

Methylcobalamin is important because it is delivered more efficiently to nerve tissues than regular B-12. Because of this, Methylcobalamin should be considered in the treatment of all neurological diseases.

Based on its mechanism of action, it can be effective in slowing the progression of hard to treat neurological diseases like ALS, Multiple Sclerosis and Parkinson's Disease. Published studies show that high doses can help regenerate neurons and the myelin sheath that protects axons and peripheral nerves. Theraputic doses of Methylcobalamin have also been known to prevent and reverse numbness from nerve damage.

Among the conditions which have responded favorably to Methylcobalamin are, ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease,) Alzheimer's disease, Bell's Palsy, Parkinson's disease, Multiple Sclerosis, Brain Aging, Insomnia, Immune dysfunction, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia, Schizophrenia, Diabetes, Impotence and Herpes Zoster (Shingles.)

In one study of Alzheimer's patients given Methylcobalamin, the subjects improved their memory, emotions, and ability to communicate. In Alzheimer's or suspected Mercury amalgam related diseases (e.g. MS,) a hidden Vitamin B-12 deficiency has been found, even though the usual blood tests are normal. In one study of patients with chronic, progressive Multiple Sclerosis, 60 mg of Methylcobalamin resulted in clinical improvement in visual and auditory function, but not motor disability.

Methylcobalamin may help prevent Parkinson's disease and slow the progression in those who are already afflicted. Parkinson's is caused by a destruction of brain cells that produce dopamine. Dopamine is produced from the amino acid, L-Dopa. Anyone taking any form of L-Dopa should also take from 5 to 20 mg of Methylcobalamin to enjoy the benefits of L-Dopa for much longer. For best results, it should be taken with Alpha Lipoic Acid. In a sleep study it was shown that Methylcobalamin reduced the amount of time the subjects slept, but the sleep quality was better and subjects awakened refreshed with better alertness and concentration.

Methylcobalamin at 6mg per day for 16 weeks also improved sperm count by 37.5 percent.

In other studies it was found that Methylcobalamin enhances and modulates lymphocytes (white blood cells) by increasing T-Cell (and especially T-helper cells) activity.

In mice, several different kinds of cancerous tumors were suppressed by administration of Methylcobalamin for seven days. These included liver, lung and other tumors.

In a study of Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS) patients, all given high dose (25 mg per day) Methylcobalamin showed increases in muscle strength. Methylcobalamin also slows the progression to AIDS in HIV + patients and helps prevent neurological problems. Methylcobalamin also balances the sympathetic/parasympathetic nervous system (calming when overexcited and stimulating when too calm).

A therapeutic dose for conditions requiring Methylcobalamin would be a minimum of 1500 mcg and a maximum of 6000 mcg per day. No significant therapeutic advantage appears to occur from dosages exceeding this maximum dose; however, it is likely that beneficial physiological effects occur at dosages as low as 100 mcg per day, especially if this dose is given repetitively over time. Methylcobalamin is usually administered in divided doses three times daily. For every day prevention take 1 mg daily under the tongue.
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This is a common error--- doctors think that people have to have an elevated MCV and anemia to think B12 deficiency, but that is a mistake, because at least 1/3 of patients exhibit neurologic manifestations well before MCV elevation or anemia presents. This is extremely important for physicians to get reeducated because if the B12 deficiency goes undetected or untreated for too long, there may be permanent neurologic injury.
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vuycha je napisao/la:Stav o tome nisam stekao naprečac i ne na osnovu mišljenja samo jednog stručnjaka. Poanta svega je ovo: ako se ja varam i uzimam suplemente b12 nepotrebno, nema štete. Višak b12 se izlučuje bez posljedica. Ako se vi, koji tvrdite da ne treba piti suplemente varate, nastradat ćete.
Sviđa mi se kako si to rekao :palac:
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Luna je napisao/la:
vuycha je napisao/la:Stav o tome nisam stekao naprečac i ne na osnovu mišljenja samo jednog stručnjaka. Poanta svega je ovo: ako se ja varam i uzimam suplemente b12 nepotrebno, nema štete. Višak b12 se izlučuje bez posljedica. Ako se vi, koji tvrdite da ne treba piti suplemente varate, nastradat ćete.
Sviđa mi se kako si to rekao :palac:
Da, ali, prema onome sto sam citao, Vuycha ne moze biti siguran da je zasticen

Cyanocobalamin koji uzima putem VEG1 tableta nije aktivna forma vitamina B12
Kazu da 2% ljudi ne moze pretvoriti Cyanocobalamin u aktivnu formu Methylcobalamin
Za takav organizam Cyanocobalamin moze biti cak i toksican

Neki ljudi zbog probavnih poremecaja ili autoimunih bolesti ne mogu apsorbirati B12

Zakljucak..nije dovoljno uzeti prvi B12 kompleks koji nam padne pod ruku ( Luna )

Trebali bi kontorlirati nivo MMA
Ako je MMA visok, znaci da nam tablete ne pomazu

Kazu da visok MMA uz simptome nedostatka B12 zahtjeva hitno uzimanje injekcija Hydroxycobalamina

Good news za one koji ne vole pikice..kazu da je urin kontrola MMA pouzdanija od one u krvi

Sutra trazim LAB koji to radi u Zagrebu
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ogi je napisao/la: Good news za one koji ne vole pikice..kazu da je urin kontrola MMA pouzdanija od one u krvi
shit.. terba se popiskit..
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ogi je napisao/la:Zakljucak..nije dovoljno uzeti prvi B12 kompleks koji nam padne pod ruku ( Luna )
:)
ogi je napisao/la:Kazu da je urin kontrola MMA pouzdanija od one u krvi
Zašto? Krv nam govori što se donosi do naših organa, a urin što se izlučuje kao višak (neovisno o tome je li dopremljeno tamo gdje je potrebno) :huh:
ogi je napisao/la:Sutra trazim LAB koji to radi u Zagrebu
Javi nam koji je.
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Luna je napisao/la:
ogi je napisao/la:Kazu da je urin kontrola MMA pouzdanija od one u krvi
Zašto? Krv nam govori što se donosi do naših organa, a urin što se izlučuje kao višak (neovisno o tome je li dopremljeno tamo gdje je potrebno) :huh:
The urinary MMA/creatinine ratio (uMMA) test is more accurate than the blood test as it indicates tissue/cellular B12 deficiency.

U svakom slucaju..jos cu razgovarati sa ovima u labu o svemu

Prvo idem kod ovih gdje sam radio proslu kontrolu B12 u krvi: http://www.poliklinika-stela.hr/
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ogi je napisao/la:it indicates tissue/cellular B12 deficiency
Kužim - što ga ima više u urinu, manje je na mjestima gdje bi trebao biti ;)
Javi kako je prošlo u labu :palac:
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miumiu je napisao/la:Zaboravljaš da u zemlji više nema tih bakterija i osiromašena je svime pa i tim kobaltom koji je potreban za nastanak B12.
Pitanje je li to sveprisutna situacija, ili samo na područjima zagađenim konvencionalnim uzgojem.

Pada mi na pamet da jednom platim analizu na svojoj i prijateljevoj (s kojim radim) njivi kako bih utvrdio ima li tamo kobalta i tih bakterija.
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Medo je napisao/la:Pada mi na pamet da jednom platim analizu na svojoj i prijateljevoj (s kojim radim) njivi kako bih utvrdio ima li tamo kobalta i tih bakterija.
Pa...zapravo uopće nije loša ideja :palac:
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ma gle biljke su vjesti alhemicari, odnosno ako ga i nema u zemlji one su sposobne od drugih tvari sastavit one koje njima trebaju za normalni rast...
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ogi je napisao/la:[

Prvo idem kod ovih gdje sam radio proslu kontrolu B12 u krvi: http://www.poliklinika-stela.hr/
Koliko para dođu ti nalazi?
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Upravo sam se vratio iz laba
Ponovo su me odusevili ljubaznoscu :)

Krvne pretrage homocistina rade ali kazu da nama primarno treba kontrola MMA
Privatni labovi ne rade MMA
U Zagrebu to radi KBC Rebro
Bili su toliko dobri da su nazvali Rebro i provjerili da li rade

Znaci KBC Rebro radi mjerenje metilmalonske kiseline (MMA) u krvi i urinu
Moze i bez uputnice ali jos neznam cijenu
Mislim da je skupo i da se isplati traziti uputnicu

Lijepo smo se napricali o veganstvu, B12, suplementima...
Cak sam im dao Earthlingse :)
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