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80/10/10 prehrana - Douglas Graham
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PostPostano: 5.4.2013. pet. 22:46    Naslov: Citiraj i odgovori





Rezultat sirove veganske prehrane, koliko je tek nevidljivih promjena placko
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PostPostano: 7.4.2013. ned. 07:42    Naslov: Citiraj i odgovori

Ja tu samo vidim jednu anoreksicnu osobu. Vecina anoreksicara jede junk food pa se istom logikom moze dokazati da se od McDonald's hrane brzo mrsavi.
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S razlikom da svi postaju anoreksični i posušeni na 80/10/10 prehrani, žene ostaju bez mjesečnica, muškarci bez libida...

Ljudi na 811 prehrani se bore sa masnoćama
S jedne strane imaju potrebu za njima s druge ona im šteti
Čini se da nam trebaju životinjske masnoće
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Poznata raw vegan Kristina Carrillo-Bucaram
Još jedan primjer anoreksije
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ogi je napisao/la:
S jedne strane imaju potrebu za njima s druge ona im šteti


Na koji način?
Nisam toliko upoznata sa detaljima te prehrane, čini mi se da svjesno izbjegavaju masnoće. Ne znam koji su praktični razlozi.
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Svjesno ih izbjegavaju jer se ne osjećaju dobro, tako je i nastala 811 prehrana
Životinjske masnoće su drugačije, drugi tip i omjer omege 3/6
A, D, K2 vitamina nema u biljnim masnoćama
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ogi je napisao/la:
Svjesno ih izbjegavaju jer se ne osjećaju dobro, tako je i nastala 811 prehrana
Životinjske masnoće su drugačije, drugi tip i omjer omege 3/6
A, D, K2 vitamina nema u biljnim masnoćama

Zanimljiv članak koji je napisao Dr Mercola o problemu omega 3 / omega 6 omjeru: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/01/12/aha-position-on-omega-6-fats.aspx
Zanimljivo je kako Dr Mercola preporučuje kokosovo ulje iako ističe da ono uopće nema omega masne kiseline nego masne kiseline srednje duge dužine lanca.
Laneno ulje (odnosno sjemenke lana) su najbolji izvor omega 3. U životinjskom svijetu najbolji su losos i srdele, ali samo zato jer jedu alge - biljke su te koje stvaraju omega 3, a ne životinje!
Hmm, opet kokosovo ulje i lanene sjemenke! Čini mi se da ishrana dr Budwig ima sve više uporišta. Žena je doživjela 95 pa je valjda nešto radila dobro.
Zašto bi A, D i K2 bili u masnoćama? Najbolji izvori vitamina A su biljni: http://www.thedailygreen.com/healthy-eating/eat-safe/vitamin-a-44010609#slide-2
Vitamin D dobijamo sunčanjem. Ali bez kancerogene SPF zaštite. Zar se ne osjećamo svi bolje kad boravimo na svježem zraku po sunčanom danu?
Vitamin K se uglavnom nalazi u zelenjavi: http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/food-sources-of-vitamin-k.php

Ogi čini mi se da čitaš neku čudnu bibliju! Priznaj tko ti je platio za širenje tih čudnih informacija! Wink

No 811 ima previše manjkavosti. Mislim da si tu na dobrom tragu. Nešto nisu dobro proračunali. Masnoće su važne. No možda se ne smiju jesti sa svakom hranom. Pogledam Lou Coronu pa dr Grahama (obojica su sličnih godina) i odmah mi je jasno da je Lou na puno boljem tragu nego dr Graham (začetnik 811 pokreta).
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PostPostano: 8.4.2013. pon. 09:22    Naslov: Citiraj i odgovori

Na poslu sam pa samo kratko, vitamini postoje u različitim formama, progooglaj malo da se ne ponavljamo palac

Nitko me ne plaća već ja plaćam svojim zdravljem svoje eksperimente sa prehranom Very Happy
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Prvo jelo nakon 25 dana posta na vodi, jadni ljudi Confused
Još kada se sjetim da im za to Graham naplaćuje 11.000 USD
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Rezultat sirove veganske prehrane




http://carmellassunnyrawkitchen.com/about-carmella/carmellas-health-journey/
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Luna, nisam siguran kako ti to tumačiš. Vidim da je slika koju si izdvojila iz 2006-e i tu je bolesno anoreksična. Cura je u tipičnoj fazi prilagodbe na sirovu ishranu gdje ne razumije da ne unosi dovoljno kalorija jer kuhana hrana ima više kalorija tj. manje energije treba za razgradnju iste. No kasnije izgleda puno popunjenije i zdravije. Valjda obzirom da je cijeli život imala višak kilograma uvijek je maštala o tome kako bi htjela izgubiti na težini. Pretpostavljam da je zbog toga pretjerala. U slici iz iz 2010-e izgleda popunjenije, zdravije i čak mlađe nego u onoj iz 2006-e koju si ti izdvojila.
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7 banana + pola kile šećera!! trlja oci lud
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Here’s my post I just wrote on the 30BAD website, but I’m sure they will delete it soon: http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/80-10-10-turned-me-into-a-crazy-person-with-orthorexia

So here’s my story…

80/10/10 turned me into a crazy person with orthorexia

So I’ll try and keep this short, but there is a lot to say about 80/10/10. I started out probably like most, with digestion issues, food intolerances, extreme bloating, fatigue, dark circles under my eyes, feeling miserable about food and not at my potential. In order to help with digestion I found 80/10/10 and ALL my symptoms went away in 3 weeks (except the dark circles which were starting to fade – for my body this is just intolerance to grains by the way). I was totally blown away. I didn’t have words for how incredible this diet and lifestyle was.

I started a website and facebook page, I bought extra copies of the 80/10/10 book and was giving them away to anyone that would listen. My fiancé started on the diet as well (we had previously been on paleo, so jumping to vegan was a big change in our house), but my fiancé was so amazing and completely on board with 80/10/10 and was telling everyone about how amazing it was and he was losing weight and feeling great. I also lost weight and was down to 44 kilos when I stopped weighing myself (I’m 158cm). My friends and family were getting worried about all the bones I was showing but I thought I looked amazing and completely ignored everyone’s comments.

Now, I know what you’re all going to say – “you weren’t eating enough calories”. Total rubbish. I was eating at least 3500 calories a day. Not bad on my small frame. I was stuffing my face hardcore. I would start breakfast with a smoothie of 10 bananas plus 5 dates and water. Same again as a mid-morning snack. That’s over 2500 calories before lunch. Lunch would be a huge amount of fruit – usually something like an entire big pineapple and 15 oranges, or whatever I felt like. I was mixing it up where I can and logging all of my food. I would eat more in the afternoon if I could fit it in. I would smash another massive bowl of fruit when I got home and had more fruit like mandarins or something with a big salad for dinner. We were having huge amounts of salad – 2 lettuces each plus 2 zucchini’s, a whole punnet of tomatoes, capsicum, cucumber, whatever we felt like. I was also drinking so much water I was peeing constantly. I was carrying all this fruit to work in a huge backpack, all chopped up in containers for my monomeals.

Everything seemed fine but I was getting crazy cravings for salt and was incredibly obsessed about food. It’s all I would think about and talk about. Every single thought was about fruit and the 80/10/10 diet, I had nothing else to talk about to anyone. It was consuming my life and my relationship. I was preaching 80/10/10 all day long to everyone and told myself that “all cooked food was evil and caused disease,” “all animal products give you cancer.” I would see someone drinking a can of coke and had to stop myself from going up to them and slapping that can of coke out of their hand and giving them a lecture. I thought I knew everything about nutrition and when someone would say “oh but you need meat” I would totally lose it and would rattle off 10 quotes from Doug’s book, and would get so angry that people were on the wrong diet. I used to say to my fiancé that everyone who ate cooked food was going to get disease and die and we would be the healthy ones who were still alive. I was imagining all my friends funerals and me sitting there thinking “I told you so.” Yep, I was going nuts.

I would take my own food out to restaurants and would refuse to drink the restaurant tap water because it has fluoride in it. I was even bringing my own jug of water from home to work every day (also carrying in a backpack) because the water at work has fluoride in it. My friends at dinner would look at me like I was totally bonkers, but I felt superior, like I was on the healthiest diet of all time and everyone else was totally stupid and was going to get sick and die.

We bought the biggest wooden salad bowls we could find for our dinners and filled them to the brim. I was totally isolated from everyone, but I thought my amazing spiritual connect on 811 was all I needed and kept going. All I could think about was food and only eating food that was “pure” and “clean” and “healthy” (this is where orthorexia comes in). I would walk past take away shops and think “I will never eat that poisoned garbage again.” We went to Thailand for a friend’s wedding and I ate 80/10/10 the entire time. Everyone thought I was crazy for refusing what is commonly labelled the freshest and tastiest food on the planet. On the plane I had arrange to bring all my fruit chopped up in containers and had ordered special meals. The chef at the wedding had to make me a special salad and I refused the wedding cake with anger. I was a freak! I declined family lunches, dinners with friends, I was already stressing about how I would get out of our family Christmas lunch because I couldn’t be around people that weren’t on 80/10/10. If this sounds like you – this is NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOUR. It is scary how far gone I was. I was losing my mind. I would wake up and think of food. All day I would think of nothing but food. Getting into bed I would think of nothing but food. And it wasn’t that I was hungry – I was thinking about what fruits I would eat that day, was I getting enough variety, what would be in my salad, should I add 2 scoops of avocado tonight because I hadn’t added ANY fats in 3 weeks and did I need to today? And on the VERY rare occasions I added avocado or seeds (because I didn’t crave it) my candida would flare up. So my candida was being kept at bay by 80/10/10, but not being healed properly. I’ve been saving every penny to do a water fast with Doug, and felt so excited at being part of this “special club.”

My amazing fiancé was so patient with me and would put up with my incessant 80/10/10 talk. He occasionally wanted to eat a vegan cooked meal say on a Saturday night, and I would lose it at him for wanting cooked foods and breaking the diet for even one meal. Then my teeth started getting so sensitive that it hurt to eat fruit. They would ache with every bite. Then I was having problems sleeping and would wake up several times in the night and couldn’t sleep (I never had this problem before 811). Then our cravings for salt were getting extreme and sometimes unbearable, we would just sit with our salads feeling miserable. We had bought a needle-free injector kit and were doing our own B12 injections at home. I had a blood test and my thyroid was in seriously bad shape and the doctor wanted me on medication immediately. My hands and feet were frozen, I was so cold. I told him not to be ridiculous and that 811 would cure me and walked out. But people – you need iodine to survive!!!! Tell me where you’re getting SUFFICIENT quantities of iodine from in fruit?

Then my fiancé got a really bad cough that lasted 7 WEEKS. I thought that was strange because we were “getting so many nutrients” that his body should be able to fight it off. Sometime later I got an even worse cough which lasted 3 weeks. But how can this be? I was starting to look like death, had zero energy and went online to discover all the minerals I’m missing out on, including iodine, and decided to eat some salmon sushi. Salmon, rice and seaweed. I was crying as I was eating it because it was “death food” and “poison” and everything I was against. I got the biggest burst of energy it was crazy. That day I started talking iodine and after the FIRST DOSE my hands and feet were warm, I was feeling amazing and slept incredibly well that night. I woke up with my cough 50% better, ate sushi again the following day, and today (the next day) my cough is 98% gone. In 2 days of changing my diet.

So now what am I going to do? I’m so EMBARRASED at how I have preached this “cure all” diet to all my friends and family, I have alienated myself from everyone I know, I’m a total nervous wreck and now suffering with the very definition of orthorexia. I have complete OCD because of 811 and this strict, crazy lifestyle which you have to stick to 100% forever or you’re a failure. And for what? I’m skin and bones, my cycle is all over the shop, I am so deficient in nutrients and feel totally alone after this experience. I have no idea what to eat now, food has become something so horrible to me. I put everything into this and am left a freak. I’m so lucky my fiancé has put up with me during this experience as I have been a total nightmare to live with.

I was eating so much fruit I felt like I was always chewing, I was following Doug’s book to the letter, but interesting today I found this video where Doug has changed his story and now 811 can include cooked food and meat (chicken) WTF people. He says he didn’t write the book for raw food. So was it never meant to be raw or when you say “fruits, nuts and seeds” did you want us to cook them? We are following someone who is just making this cr*p up to suit his mood and wallet. He says he wants more people to join so let’s include cooked food and meat! Right… so sales can go up?? So you can toy with more people’s lives??? My fiancés’ mum is now severely deficient in almost everything and is working with a nutritionist to reverse the damage 811 did to her. My fault for getting her on this diet. And even Freelee and DR are now eating cooked food, sugar and condiments and saying “its ok.” How convenient. Lead everyone down the raw path which cannot succeed, then when you realise it’s not working, tell everyone that now it’s ok to eat cooked food?

I now have to start over and somehow try and not obsess about food and lead a normal life. I have no idea what to expect and am completely scared of food, but living like a crazy food obsessed person is not an option anymore. That’s my story and I hope you’re not feeling trapped and food obsessed on 811, and if you are please get help, health isn’t a joke.
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PostPostano: 27.8.2013. uto. 16:20    Naslov: Citiraj i odgovori

Here’s why I quit:

- My teeth became extremely sensitive, to the point where even breathing through my mouth was causing pain.

- I felt dizzy and even fainted on two occasions in the past two months (though my blood tests were normal).

- I had low energy levels and needed 12-14 hours of sleep, which I couldn’t afford.

- I felt like I was developing depression.

- My normally excellent vision is now blurry (I hope that’s reversible with proper nutrition!).

- I couldn’t concentrate.

- My hair was falling out.

- And, of course, I’ve gained 12 pounds (which is obvious since I was eating 2000-3000 calories a day Smile ).

When I read “The 80/10/10 Diet” a year ago, it made so much sense to me. Back then, I was 8 months into recovery from a long-term eating disorder, and 811 seemed like a perfect solution. Sadly, it didn’t work for me.

For the past two weeks, I’ve been eating a healthy vegetarian diet, and I already feel better! I look forward to learning from your experience, and hope everyone has recovered from whatever harm 80/10/10 has done to them. Smile
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